Hanging out with musicians is any girl's dream come true. Well, these girls did just that. Mind you, these two girls, Sable, the unofficial queen of the 70's LA glam rock scene, and Lori, her best friend, were only around 13 at the time. These baby groupies strutted around Sunset Boulevard on their shiny platform heels, eyes and ears peeled for the likes of Led Zeppelin or David Bowie to show up. I personally don't like these baby groupies very much, their personalities leaving a lot to be desired, but then again, what 13 year who thinks they're the hottest thing around isn't catty? Still, they deserve a mention, these were wild times and these were wild girls.
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Due to the comments I keep getting on this particular page, I felt the need to write this. The reason for this post was to not only post a collection of photos of music and fashion from the 70's, but to also talk about a certain period of time, a moment in history, and the people involved. Nowhere on here does it say I approve of the behavior of the musicians and the groupies. Not once did I say that what they did was ok. It's like if I made a post about the Holocaust - another period in time that I'm interested in and I've read so much about- and saying that I condoned what happened during the Holocaust. I love history (and history has good and bad parts) and the only reason I made this blog was because I like to write about things that interest me, I like to collect pictures, and I like when a person discovers my blog and learns something new or rediscovers something they had forgotten.
Lori modeling with fellow baby groupie Shray Mecham for Star Magazine.
Queenie Glam, Shray, and Sable.
With Iggy Pop.
With Debbie Harry.
With Keith Moon and Annette Walter-Lax.
With Led Zeppelin and groupie Morgana Welch at the English Disco and not the Rainbow Bar & Grill even though to me the booths in the back looked exactly like that. I've actually been there a couple of times, not as amazing as I thought it would be, but still crawling with would-be groupies and musicians. I even saw a certain special someone there, coming out of the bathroom before their first gig at The Key Club. Anyroad, the caption to this picture is pretty hilarious.
With John Bonham.
I'm sure you all know what went down with Jimmy and Lori, so I won't bother to repeat it here.
Just like Jimmy and Lori were a complicated pair, so were Johnny Thunders and Sable.
With Iggy and Johnny.
With Sylvain Sylvain.
With Stiv Bators.
With BP Fallon.
With Dave Hill.
Sable with Mackenzie Phillips and the unofficial mayor of the Sunset Strip, Rodney Bingenheimer, posing outside of the English Disco.
Sable with other baby groupies posing with Rodney outside the Continental Hyatt House (The Riot House).
The only reason i kind of like Lori Maddox is because her existance pisses Pamela Des Barres off!!! LOL!
ReplyDeleteIt bugs me when she always says how empowering it was being a "muse". She slept with rock stars. Period.
DeleteUnpaid prostitutes, basically.
DeleteReally??? They were freeminded girls, totally in control of their will! They were living their sexuality the way I wish I could live mine. Lucky girls!
DeleteIn the days before AIDS, if you wanted to do it, you did it.
DeleteI'm a female who plays bass guitar, and I think these girls, (although before my time), were amazing. They got to live a life we can all only imagine. And for the haters out there, that is obvious in their comments, because we only hate on what others do because they were brave enough to go fourth and we weren't. Great blog and great topic of interest, keep it up ;)
DeleteThey're all underage though...and the musicians were adults...I think there's a word to describe the adults involved
DeleteI just decided I love your blog :D
ReplyDeleteThese girls are children. Shame on the adults involved. There is nothing nice here.
ReplyDeletewhat we call "children" are often adults that you disrespect and deny the existence
DeleteThey were children? Being a teenager is being a child. Developmentally and socially, they were not at the same level as these adults. They were taken advantage of. I think of myself at 14,16 and I wouldn't have at all been ready for a relationship with a grown man especially one with significant influence.
Deleteand here, ladies and gentlemen, we have someone trying to excuse child rape
DeleteIf you are not able to consent to sexual actions by law, you are a child. What's not to understand?
DeleteDo you really think 13 year olds girls are adults who are able to comprehend the same way that an 30 year old man can? And that they are just as mature? No.
They were the adults and should be the ones acting responsible around children.
They were 13, forma heavens shake!!!
DeleteThey "werent on the same level"?? Even if these women lived to be 1000 years old theyd still never be on the same level as these geniuses.
DeleteAge of consent laws are the most patriarchal thing in existence. The government (full of old men) telling girls when theyre "ready" for sex, rather than letting girls decide for themselves? Theyre erasing female agency, literally. Age of consent laws were invented by old men in order to keep other men from "stealing" their daughters ie. their property away. Thats what "age of consent" does. It defines a girl as the PROPERTY of her father until shes 18.
geniusses? pffft--- anybody can learn to play an instrument properly. and how can the age of consense laws be patriachal if they apply to boys and girl in the same way? makes no sense. teenagers dont have a fully developed brain yet from a neuroscienctific point of view and especially the troubled ones that ran away from home and are likely to have self-worth issues are easily impressed by fame being led into actions they later regret. this is the imbalance people are talking about, not the supposed genuis-ness o rockstars (the rubbish they talk in interviews and msotly shallow lyrics clearly proof that besides playing a certain style of music they arent that clever persons)
Deleteyes, Led Zeppelin are geniuses.... Iggy Pop, Keith Moon, Genius. Others, haven't heard of and I'm sure were notable back in the day, but they haven't stood the test of time so not on the same leve; Having said that, there is absolutely no proof that these guys had sex with these girls. They were just on the same scene and people pose for photographs together, especially with famous people. Did some engage? I'm sure... but to say these girls are unpaid hookers or the musicians are rapists... f' off and get a life. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll was the game and these girls could hang with the best of em it seems
Deleteyes, Led Zeppelin are geniuses.... Iggy Pop, Keith Moon, Genius. Others, haven't heard of and I'm sure were notable back in the day, but they haven't stood the test of time so not on the same leve; Having said that, there is absolutely no proof that these guys had sex with these girls. They were just on the same scene and people pose for photographs together, especially with famous people. Did some engage? I'm sure... but to say these girls are unpaid hookers or the musicians are rapists... f' off and get a life. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll was the game and these girls could hang with the best of em it seems
Deletemind you, every country sets its own formal and informal standards for women consenting or being sold off to men 3x their age starting at 12. Back then, political take over of America had not occurred, people had sex, children, adults, everyone...today, you cant walk your dog without being sued for it crapping on the wrong blade of grass.
DeleteThe reason age of consent laws are in place is because the human brain is not fully developed at that point, a fact which wipes the floor with any arguments about "willing consent". Such laws have nothing to do with repression, but protect children from exploitation. Girls such as Lori M were clearly dysfunctional and acting out; the musicians took advantage of their credulity and dysfunction. This page is basically a shrine for perverts.
DeleteThis is about 40 years ago, remember? I am sure the babygirls loved the party, they were probably dysfunctional and using drugs, this is how it was. The musicians were probably also stoned all the time. I remember me in this age and I fell in love with guys in their twenties. Not full sex, but petting and stuff. I never thought about this as abuse and I know, they weren't perverts. It was the time, it is hard to explain. We did not think much about what we did and were busy partying and getting high. Of course this lifestyle created problems for me later, that is not the topic here if it was healthy or not. But ridiculous to call this here a shrine for perverts and compare it with 2016.
DeleteAge of consent was 14 at the time. We have laws now, you can't retroactively apply your morals and knowledge now. Or you can, but you're missing the point of history. Most of these women are dead or at least older than you now. Shame on who?
DeleteIt was and still is 18 you dumb twat!
DeleteAge of consent was actually 18 back then. Let me ask a simple question. Is it ok for Muslim men to marry 9 to 12 year old? Some of the baby groupies were 12. And they knew it was wrong, or Jimmy Page wouldn't have lock Lori Maddox in his hotel room and only take her to private parties, never an event. He was afraid of being charged.
DeleteLOVE THIS! Love them. Crazy how young they were. Music is nothing without the girls. Style icons for sure!
ReplyDeleteIt is all a very long time ago now!!
ReplyDeleteJimmy Page and Lori Maddox were NEVER lovers. He just used her as a groupie when the band was around in LA. Very boring story in fact.
ReplyDeleteYou might want to check your facts on that as they both openly admit to the relationship.
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DeleteAgree, they couldn't have been in a relationship... because technically she was a child.
DeleteWell they did have a "relationship" if you want to call it that. He actually pursued HER relentlessly at first but she kept rejecting his advances. That is until Richard Hell (Zep's road manager I think) kidnapped and dragged her to Jimmy's hotel room one night, on the threat of being fired by Jimmy if he didn't. She soon fell under his "spell" and actually consented to being imprisoned in his hotel room for long periods of time because he didn't want to risk being caught sleeping with a minor. Being just a kid she unfortunately mistook this for love and romance instead of abuse and control. Inevitably he soon became bored with the whole thing and coldly discarded her one night in favour of another older groupie, Bebe Buell. I think the part in "Almost Famous" where Penny Lane almost od's after Russell pretends like he doesn't know her, is loosely based on that incident.
DeleteJimmy Page and Robert Plant and the like are not to be mythologized for their part in facilitating and acting on grown up instincts with 13 and 14 year old girls.
DeleteMy brother used the "it was the 70s, man" denial when I asked him about having sex with the first great love of my love some years after the relationship had ended. In my book, you don't do that. Right and wrong don't lose meaning - it's people who lose sight of it.
Take responsibility.
Richard Hell was a 70's NYC punk/rock musician. I think you mean Peter Grant
Delete^^^ Obviously Jimmy Page. :-)
ReplyDeleteJimmy Page never loved any of LZ's groupies. He just used girls as if they were unpaid whores. Very easy for him. Jimmy had a stable home life in England in fact.
ReplyDeleteWhere does it say that Jimmy Page loved any of the groupies on this blog? The groupies might claim otherwise, but I think it's pretty obvious to anyone that they were just used. Also, he might have a stable home life now, but I highly doubt it was stable back then. If it was, there would be no need for all the drugs and groupies in first place..
DeleteThe blog describes Page and Mattix/Maddox as "a complicated pair", implying a partner relationship. Anonymous is correct. Jimmy Page is on the record stating how he valued his 'stable' relationship in England with his then-wife, and their baby. The baby groupies were used tissues.
DeleteALL THESE MAN ARE THE REAL FREE WHORES. FUCKIN IDIOTS. PERIOD.
DeleteJimmy Page didn't marry until 1986, he married Patricia Eckert. He did have a long relationship with Charlotte Martin, they had his oldest daughter Scarlett. As for Lori Mattox, I've seen so many interviews where she tells something different each time. Pretty sure Jimmy had women in every town.
DeleteThat group shot above was not taken at the Rainbow, it was at Bingenheimer's English Disco (it says so right in the caption that you mention so I am not sure how you missed it).
ReplyDeleteJust because it's in the caption doesn't mean it's right! I've actually been to the Rainbow and that's what the booths in the back looked like. Unless the inside of the English Disco looks exactly the same ??
DeleteIt was Rodney's English Disco - the VIP section LOL
DeleteAlright you experts, I've seen that pic without the caption labeled as the Rainbow, and I've seen countless pics in books with the wrong caption, hence the confusion, but I fixed it!
DeleteTo me, groupies are awesome. Don't know why so many people dislike them.
ReplyDeleteBecause they're jealous, haha. Most groupies like Catherine James or Miss Pamela are cool, but others like Sable and Bebe are/were real bitches. One thing's for sure, they all knew how to have fun, have great stories to tell, and they had amazing style.
DeleteWHAT IS more obscene is HOW SOCIETY CANONIZES "CELEBRITIES". Poor, Jack Nicholson did NOT get 1/1000th the girls he got once Rich & Famous. That's a very very sad statement about society. JUST because you make music that people love, you get treated BETTER than other people? Come on. That's OBSCENE.
DeleteBruce Willis is an ORDINARY guy like everyone else. So GUESS WHY he's got a zillion women throwing themselves at him. See? THAT's the awful part of FAME and money. It's really the downfall of ALL society. Sleazy businessmen and politicians (et al) DO THEIR GREEDY CAPITALIST CRIMES because of ONE thing: they want girls. They want love and respect. See how completely screwed up society is, because of this culture of "celebrity"? No girl today wants to be a veterinarian! She wants to be a movie star, or a movie star, or maybe an actress/movie star! Or maybe a model!! See? And the horrible "Operation Kardashian" has made society far worse than back then. TODAY, the 11 year olds take naked selfies and post across the globe! YIKES! Today, the role model of a zillion young girls is Kardashian and THE SEX-TAPE THAT MADE HER FAMOUS! Yikes! THAT is something we should all be horrified about. Jimmy Page was a beautiful man. Even guys find him attractive. You can't compare that with a Jerry Sandusky or catholic priests raping all the kids, etc. So dishonest, sigh.
We know life as a groupie was loads of FUN... with even more loads of HEARTBREAK. No girl wants to be used. Hell, even for the rock stars it's also heartbreaking. (Guys fall in love much easier than girls do. The problem with guys, is that they fall for EVERYTHING that moves, but can't DATE 2 gals at once. So they MUST leave behind 99%.)
Groupies just liked the idea of sleeping with famous people and everything else that went with it....the excitement, the glam and glitter, etc. Let's face it, young naïve girls and fickle rock stars aren't exactly relationship material. Still, you have to admit their stories are pretty interesting.
DeleteJuly 16th guy -- it all starts with biology and can be observed in all forms of life. Certain characteristics are desirable -- usually it's size and strength -- and that's other members of the species find appealing. Simple as that.
DeleteI envy any 70s rock groupie. Its not just about sleeping with rockstars its about being apart of the music. Inspiring it. I mean listening to great rock while sitting on Robert plants lap.....I mean come on. Who wouldn't want that?
ReplyDeletegoogle "Led Zeppelin: There was a whole lotta love on tour
ReplyDeleteNaked and bound groupies, under-age sex, brutal violence...Simon Hardeman examines the underbelly of the beast"
Nothing "nice" here at all .. Just too many drugs, too many somnambulist's.. paedophiles and rapist.. Centre Stage.. and no one said a word.. Instead a blog site, dedicated to "dreaming of the past" ??
Still walking in the wilderness in somnambulance.
yep, it's a well known fact that raped kids were generally looking for it.
Deleteyou could have a glittering career as a paedo ahead of you, congratz!
Oh dear! These girls put on those outfits FOR A REASON, they went on the strip looking for musicians FOR A REASON. I mean, they certainly didn't go back to their hotel to get help with their homework! I think at 13 you know the difference between right and wrong, the motives behind your actions (even if those motives/actions are stupid. Like I said those girls weren't forced to even be there, and if they weren't happy I'm sure the girls' parents or the girls themselves would have gone to the police.
DeleteThanks for sharing, for some they can't seem come to terms with the fact that others CHOOSE to live by a different moral code than they do and feel it is their born right to force all other humans to adhere to the same rules. It as a different era and I don't think anyone involved looked at it through the same lens in such negative and hateful terms. I did a lot of things at a young age that I probably would not now at 40, but isn't that all part of the learning experience? Lori Maddox loved Jimmy and stayed with him well after she was past the age of consent. Her mother was also aware of and approved the relationship. The only thing violated were United States LAWS and CHRISTIAN MORALITY. I'm not a cop, and even if you happen to be it's way past the statute of limitations preacher. Nobody got hurt, nobody involved says anything negative about it and it's a sad society we live in where someone not even involved in the situation when it occurred is making a big deal about nothing. Go spend your time trying to stop the United States from bombing other countries, you'll do a lot more good for children in this world today and their well being than trying to persecute Jimmy Page for his relationship with Lori in 1974.
DeleteA 13 year old may think they know what they want. We all thought we knew it all in our teens. However, the rock stars were all adults and they definitely knew what they were doing was wrong. Why do you think Jimmy Page was hiding Lori Maddox in hotel rooms? And do you think Robert Plant would have allowed his daughter to cavort around with rock stars at 13 years old? Highly unlikely ...
DeleteALL of you saying a 13 year old can't know what she wants are NOT BEING HONEST. Fact: I've never met a 20 year old gal or 30 year old gal who Knows What She Wants either! If a 15 year old CANNOT CONSENT (b/c she's too ignorant or immature), well the SAME can be said about nearly ever 25 year old on the planet! An "adult" is simply a child (still) who must ACT like they know what they're doing. If CONSENSUAL sex is called "rape", you JUST helped all the REAL rapists out there lessen the impact of what THEY do. You cannot use the absurd LIE that teens are too vulnerable? ALL of us at ALL ages are vulnerable and make BAD decisions. When drunk. When lonely. When on the rebound. And on and on and on. In fact, almost NO HUMAN HAS EVER MADE SMART DECISIONS when it comes to affairs of the heart OR affairs of the loins. STOP BEING DISHONEST.
DeleteNaked and bound groupies, under-age sex, brutal violence...Simon Hardeman examines the underbelly of the beast" Yes, very true. I was shocked after reading "Hammer of the Gods". It certainly is a fitting title because they WERE worshipped like gods and they knew it. They got away with statutory rape, kidnapping, violence, and abuse of all kinds. I still love Led Zeppelin but WOW.
Delete"ALL of you saying a 13 year old can't know what she wants are NOT BEING HONEST". Oh please. How can 13 yr. olds know what they want if they haven't had any life experience, yet? Every 13 yr. old I've met so far has "stars in their eyes" and they romanticize the world as this big, exciting, glamorous, place. They're extremely impressionable at that age and make their decisions based on impulse...not reason. At least 20 and 30 yr. olds have had some life experience behind them and have learned a thing or two about themselves. Thirteen yr. olds still need guidance so they're (hopefully) better prepared for the future. Comparing the two is silly.
DeleteThis is rape culture. A 14 year old girl being locked in a hotel room for 18 months did not go "looking for it". She was abused
ReplyDeleteThen explain WHY they claim they went looking for it?
DeleteExplain WHY they claim they loved it?
Explain WHY they claim it was the best time of their lives?
Explain why NONE of Jerry Sandusky's ACTUAL rape victims have said similar stuff! (There goes your Stockholm Syndrome excuse, no?)
Lori wasn't interested in Jimmy Page at first...he's the one who relentlessly pursued HER. Then when he got tired of chasing her himself he ordered Richard Hell (Led Zep's road manager I think) to kidnap Lori and bring her to his hotel room or else he'd be fired. So he then proceeded to drag Lori into his car and she was told to shut up and behave. Nice eh? Oh and then after she fell madly in love with Jimmy he ended up discarding her like a piece of trash for Bebe Buell. Anyway glad she bounced back. I personally would have been scarred for life.
DeleteYou're just denying the sexual needs of teenagers.
DeleteI can tell you, most teen girls are the most horny of their life around 15. They cannot think about anything but sex (and they can do it all day).
blogs like these attract the usual opinionated comments. I for one am happy to admit that the 70's was a combination of naive fun and seedy lifestyle. to look at a photo and sum it all up as only one of those elements is just a reflection of the person posting the comment.
ReplyDeleteI will say that neither Lori Maddox or Sable Starr were victims though... they chose to hang around older men and chose to leave when it wasn't fun anymore. of course that kind of thing is impossible for alot of people to comprehend this day and age...... the culture of "victims" and "suing for money" because you can.
that comment of "Naked and bound groupies, under-age sex, brutal violence"..... ok.....
Ah, someone who understands! Thank you.
DeleteGroupies are still around and I'm sure just as young as they were in the 1970's. I am not saying that the Musicians, Actors, and the like are innocent. Questioning the parents. Would you let your children loose at a young age? Groupies in the 70's had their pictures everywhere.
DeleteI'll go even further and say the MOST DANGEROUS thing for a society is to have DUMB teens hanging out with... DUMB teens. As a boy, I only hung out with a much-older crowd (b/c there were no kids my age around). As you can imagine, I was the most MATURE ten year old ever seen, b/c my INFLUENCES were not vacant fellow ten year olds. (I didn't have sex til I was 17, but started smoking pot at 8, and so on.) MOST females prefer much-older men, b/c they are not as BORING or IMMATURE as younger males, duh. I would argue we need MORE women in their 20s and 30s dating teen boys, to mature them faster (b/c we REALLY dumb down young people, do we not?) and ditto older men and teen girls. EVERY one of my female friends dated older guys as teens. You can hate that all you want, but it's TOTALLY HONEST... and it's also evidently MOTHER NATURE's PLAN, no?
DeleteWERE THE HELL IS MARIA PEREZ
ReplyDeleteI have no idea who that is.
DeleteThis was all so long ago. So very long ago. Lori always seemed like a sweet little airhead even in her 30's. And now she is like 55?
ReplyDeleteI used to go to the Riot House, Rainbow Room, etc to dance and have fun but I was not a groupie. I met Lori and liked her. One night, she hustled me into my car and asked me to chase a limo, which as it turned out, contained at least some members of Led Zep. We kept up with them until Keith Moon stuck his head out the far side window (I saw him) and yelled "Piss off, Lori!" At that, I stopped following them and Lori was in tears, saying she didn't know why they were treating her that way. I knew but I kept my mouth shut. No time for lectures about if you act like a whore, you get treated like a whore.
ReplyDeleteSex with 13 and 14 year old children is rape. Whether in the 1970's with a scuzzy rock "star', a bit later with Roman Polanski, or now with Jerry Sandusky. Rape is rape, even if the man doing it is wearing a guitar and tight jeans.
ReplyDeleteYour analogy is PERFECTLY false and wrong: "RAPE" is defined as NON-CONSENSUAL. "Statutory RAPE" is the most offensive term I've maybe ever heard. B/c YOU LESSEN how serious REAL rape is. (If "rape" means BOTH consensual sex and NON-consensual sex, then you people are LITERALLY mentally ill.) It helps REAL rapists. NOW, when we hear of a older guy charged with rape, society asks "is this ACTUAL rape, or was this the OPPOSITE of rape... y'know: CONSENSUAL"? See how you're helping REAL rapists?
DeletePLUS, Age is arbitrary, so only a DISHONEST person ever cites age. (I know 14 year olds twice as mature and smart as many 30 year olds, who are as dumb and immature as can be!) AGE DISCRIMINATION is a crime, BTW. To EVER judge an individual by their AGE makes YOU a despicable, insincere human being. Was Lori a naive 13 year old? OF COURSE. And almost every 30 year old WOMAN I've met is naive and ignorant in most ways.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, NOT ONE of Sandusky's victims WANTED to be with that ugly old guy! So you LIED again, did you not? And, if you have to LIE to make your argument, shouldn't that make you wonder?
Teenagers fuck all the time. Get over it.
DeleteJimmy knew it was wrong. He kidnapped her! You can go to jail for that in America. He wouldn't be allowed to come back here either. HE should have known better!
DeleteThere are some teenage girls who want it...some who say they want it (but would run a mile if they got into a situation where it was going to happen) and some that definitely don't want it...groupies no matter what age they are want sex and that's all it is. Legally it might be considered rape, purely because they are underage, but that does not stop girls from being sexually active to consensual sex. Unfortunately there is no defence for having sex with a girl below the age of consent who is willing and wanting it. So then it is down to the adult to take a responsible view - now most men being offered sex especially by a young willing girl would take it - not all - but most. Those that realise later on in life that it was probably morally wrong will probably deny it or try and make it sound better by saying it was the era blah blah...but at the end of the day they have taken advantage of someone who is legally underage (even though sex was consensual). Whether sex with an underage person is right or wrong, depends on the adult in the situation not always the underage person as they do not have the ability to know whether they are mature enough to handle having sex though their hormones may tell them otherwise. Me personally I think the adults have manipulated underage (but willing) girls to have sex which is pretty disgusting but like others have said when it is Robert Plant seducing you when you are fifteen would you turn him down?
ReplyDeleteWe can have sex with teens (15) everywhere in the world (except Meuricah) because it is perfectly normal. Get over it. You're maybe too old to attract any partner so you became a hater. That's very sad.
DeleteWe live in a puritanical country/ holier than though society. Everyone knows more about morality than even their neighbor or best friend. It makes us feel closer to God. Ya, we have a lot of God groupies in this country. Fact is we cant even put together a healthcare system that takes care of our "children of a lesser God" while the rest of the modern world does that without even batting an eye. We see socialized medicine as the lead in drug to "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't say that wordddddddddddddd" socialism. There I said it. All I got is a quote from that God groupie mag " judge not, lest ye be judged"
ReplyDeleteWhat about the German goddess Uschi Obermair? She did her own thing & lived life to the fullest!
ReplyDeleteI do intend to make some sort of post about Uschi, but my list of top groupies has to do more with ladies who hung out with more than just a couple of bands/musicians, i.e, Linda Eastman then or Alexa Chung now
Deletethere is clearly a child rapist/pedophile on this thread, it's disturbing. any adult who thinks having sex with a 15 year old let alone 13 year old is a pedophile period. even 20 year olds are immature, 13 year old are babies like the author of this article said. they were baby groupies who were raped by predatory pedophiles. if you cannot see a problem with that, then you probably are a pedophile
ReplyDeleteActually no. Law defines a pedophile as an adult who has sex or is sexually attracted to prepubescent children, generally aged 11 years or younger. So they are not pedophiles.
DeleteSome other interesting tidbits to think about this time in rock history. Lori and Sable were the groupies for these bands in Los Angeles. The other cities these bands went to ? You guessed it. Like sailors, "a girl in every port". These bands didnt have time to go looking for girls in every city. These girls found their way to them, dressed as hot and sexual as they could, put on makeup to look a bit older, and wrote about their "conquests" in diaries. Much of this was a continuation of the "free love" of the sixties. I am not condoning the behavior of any of these people involved, especially the parents. And, yes the men should've checked ID's , but nobody was checking ID's back then. Along with underage groupies, a bunch of sleazball men appeared on the scene as well. Granted Sable went with Thunders to New York and Lori did a bit of travelling with Page, but for the most part we see pics of Los Angeles and thats because these girls studied Rock Fan Mags (groupie bibles) to see how to act , how to dress, and how to become famous. And it worked. The men should be prosecuted to make an example, yes. But how ? Most of the participants are either dead or dying.
ReplyDeleteI say if they can go after Polanski, Cosby, and the like, then they can go after Page and Bowie, and whoever else.
If they are dead , ruin their legacy. They should've known better. Being in a band or on drugs or alcohol isnt a legal remedy now and wasnt then. And the parents should just be doing hard time. The story of Lori chasing after the limo with Page and Moon in it tells how "beautiful" these relationships were. And the story of how Sable tried slitting her wrists several times, got knocked by a heroin addict, and became hooked on it herself, and ended up in a back alley in Hollywood trying
get dope money from passersby and a strung out Iggy Pop , says volumes as well.
Lori has always said she lost her virginity to David Bowie in a threesome with Angie Bowie, at age 13. She is on record in interviews about that.
ReplyDeleteMy little boy, who still forgets to flush sometimes, will be 13 in 3 years. I would beat his ass if he decided to go out and start slutting around with other teenagers and adults. Seriously, I'm shocked to read all of this...and needless to say, no matter what age you are, whoring around is never good for your reputation.
ReplyDeleteMy friend calls this rape ! These groupies put themselves there specifically to have sex with famous rock stars ! Helllllllllllllooooooo ... That's what being a groupie means duuuuuhhhhhh ?! There is nothing in any of these stories about these women that stands out that they were victims at all , they are proud if it and famous Rick stars don't have to rape women to have sex these sleazy women threw themselves at them and put themselves where these famous men are to sleep with them ( claiming like Lori Maddox who says she lost her virginity to David Bowie ) Lori Maddox didn't seem to run out of there before anything happened or also allowed him to as she puts it " gently took her clothes off " ??????! If she didn't want to be there why didn't she just leave she wasn't handcuffed or locked in at all ????!
ReplyDeleteThese women knew very well even though they were kids what is involved they put themselves there wanting to sleep with these famous rock stars !? Rape is when it's against your will Lori Maddox says that David Bowie " gently took her clothes off " she could have easily left and didn't allowed him to do this and had sex with him and continued to do so after that ?! Doesn't sound like rape to me ?????!
ReplyDeleteThese 2 broads are the ugliest groupies I've ever seen. I lived with a rock star in the late 80's I was 16 but I'm not trying to be mean or brag but my goodness they had no standards or none in that time these 2 look like junkie prostitutes. I wont say who I was with but he wasn't a long haired rocker and was from the UK yes I was a groupie not proud but it happened I was young born and raised in east Hollywood. I still live here I have a daughter with him and she is now 25 with 2 babies of her own and married. I will say for a while I was found out about do to my age 17 but they eventually forgot about me when I kept out of the clubs there were more important stories to chase. However what I did that none of these gold digging junkies did was I kept my mouth shut and it paid off in so many ways. Now nobody cares thanks goodness cause they will lie about you in papers like the Enquirer and say hurtful things that you never did or even happened. However were able to keep her name and complete existence out of any media or drama and no one except family and a few close friends that never back stabbed me I knew who to trust I still do. My daughter is well adjusted kid who ever had to cover her face or have photographers outside her school just to make a dollar I always see them at Sandra Bullocks sons school hiding in their cares it's ridiculous but were and happy and they have a great relationship today that's what matters. I myself am married and love life and would never expose my kids or my family to any of this. I bet her kids and grand kids know if they have any how proud can they be and why would their kids do any different these bitches need a job and Dr. Garth Fisher they are just ugly and dirty there is no beauty in their balance! Thanks I found it interesting ... oh and there is also Bebe Buell I love her and she is beautiful now she was a true groupie not some junkie looking hooker like these tornado's!
ReplyDeleteOh dear! Lorrie Maddox was quite beautiful. Sable Star . . . well, not so much.
DeleteEh these rock stars weren't exactly leading man material. LOL.
Deleteit's like sad to see how people only appreciate the "good values' and "societal values' that regulate you and provide some security. There are however other values that challenge you and that's what's rock and roll all about from day one. These girls are the symbol of rebellion if you ave the mind to see it. Sex is Sex, man are all free whores, who not only provide free sex and even have to pay for someone to consider their begging for sex. If you consider women's sex to be a "priced procession" that's only good to serve societal value, you are the dumb-ass that's brainwashed by these whole patriarchy crap.
ReplyDeleteI am laughing so hard at all these old hags who think teen girls should not have sex with older men. At least older men are more responsible and are more able to care for a young girl than some punk ass 15 year old boy who doesn't even know how to use his dick. Most girls I grew up with who dated older men do not feel like they were victimized not do they feel any kind of regret. Those girls knew damn well what they were doing and enjoyed what they were doing.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with all these old women and old simps on here is they are pissed because nobody wants to get with them so they go on a mass cockblocking campaign to block access to girls under 18 from older men. Hell if those self righteous nutbags REALLY had their way, the age of consent would be 30!
Oh and an older man finding adolescent girls attractive is NOT pedophelia!!!! Pedophelia is when you find a PREPUBESCENT child attractive. There is nothing wrong with a 25 year old having sex with a 15 year old. It is only wrong to old hags because no man wants to bang them anymore. Jealous cunts!!!
OK, some of you are making ridiculous comments on how these girls were "children" etc. I am laughing out loud!!! I am in my mid 50's and I hung out with older guys from the age of 12, when my parent left me alone for full weekends. It continued on and I married a guy just 3 years older. But when I was 14, 15, 16 I hung out with men who were 20, 21, etc. It was NORMAL for the 70s. Sure many of these (re: the groupies here) encounters were sexual in nature, but many were not!! The culture today is all about immediate satisfaction, whereas back in the 70s through the 90s, there was no "social media" etc., so you networked and hung out with people face to face. These comments in many cases are so stupid and I say to you, get a life!!! I assume you had a pretty boring one.
ReplyDeleteFor years I will not listen to Led Zeppelin. The men turn me off no matter how good the music is. They are terrible humans, taking advantage of other humans in the worst possible ways.
ReplyDeleteI remember when Star magazine came out in the 70s. It was pretty daring and scandalous for its time but 12 year old me thought it was really cool. I wanted to become a groupie and hang out with us there's two but then my mother sat me down and told me exactly what to do to wake up and go nope! Now I look back and realize those young girls were exploited. All those rock stars back then they're just as guilty as Cosby and Weinstein and the other people implicated in the me-too movement. They were a bunch of perverts and child molesters.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny but I'll bet every person on here who has complained about this, particularly the women, probably all lost their virginity at a similarly young age and were probably even exploring masturbation before they were even teenagers. I would suspect this especially of those who have remained anonymous! I would even dare say they probably look back on their lives and have felt ashamed for being so promiscuous at a young age realizing that youngsters such as this don't really have the maturity to realize the impact of such Behavior later in life.
ReplyDeleteI am very disturbed by the defense of this. As someone who lost my virginity to an adult at 18, let me personally list off why it's not okay. Girls that age are impulsive and have no idea of what kind of danger their health is in. Just a friend suggesting something stupid is enough to go sure why not and mess up the rest of your life. I was an above 4.0 student and very mature for my age. I still managed to be dumb enough to dress slutty and have sex with multiple guys I met once because a new best friend told me it was a good idea. I only barely had a concept of what STDs were, and catching the, condoms, contraception, and babies did not really occur to me even once. An adult who is more than happy to have sex with a child is also more than happy to leave them with all of that to suffer alone the next 70+ years of their life. They aren't caring if the child gets herpes, warts, or cervical cancer that kills them. They don't care about any psychological damage. These men were handing these kids hard drugs and keeping them out of school! They could not care less what happened to them. Most 12-13 year olds still bow under pressure from adults. Even when we want to say no, we often just go along with it because we think we are supposed to or because someone we see as superior overrides our opinion and tells us they know better. That easily flips things we may even think of as bad to good. Out of all these men screwing children and all these children being screwed by grown men, I guarantee the vast majority would not hand their child over to the same situation voluntarily. It's all fun and games until your baby is the one being volunteered to be a cum dumpster with no regard for their well being, happiness, or their future. My own dad was into younger girls and hit on my friends as well as the friends of my little sister who was 7 years younger. When a statutory rape case came up involving me, he was very uncomfortable when it was his own kid with other men. As an adult, I can 100% say that I don't want my son or my daughter being used by adults. Luckily, both of them have already passed the age I lost my virginity with no issues. I have no blame for these babies, because I was one. They literally did not know better. The adults on the other hand are DISGUSTING and sick. They should not even still walk the planet. People who support them are just as gross. It's one thing to be attracted, but acting on it knowing you're hurting kids and putting them in danger is just evil. I wouldn't touch a child. No one who actually cares for them would. No one who doesn't care for them should be allowed to. If you actually cared, then you'd wait. A few years is nothing if you have something real. But, none of it was real. That just reaffirms how wrong it was. It did nothing good for these girls. That is why society has to protect children from adults who don't care and would happily see children harmed. Saying that people who object to people who want to have sex with children are jealous truly just tells us that you are also a pedophile. Most adults have zero interest in sex with children. After visiting LA and knowing firsthand what famous men are sticking it in, how high the STD rates are, and how sick the whole celebrity community is, I would not want to screw a celeb at any age. You're way more likely to catch something permanent and ruin your health! Had the opportunity to be a groupie, was not interested. So, that argument is a bust.
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